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Posted in Religion in Public Schools on 2002-06-04 02:30:27

You most likely have nothing to do with "Kama Sutra," and you just want to keep the Christians out of school. Or at least their beliefs. Such hatred... ========== In Reply To ========== If my local school tries to put ten commandments on wall, I am going to demand that all 149 sexual positions of Kama Sutra also be posted. Let's see how long the commandments stay up.

Posted in Survey on Abortion on 2002-05-25 20:51:52

I agree with Dan!!!! It's time we show the world just how illogical and wrong abortion is, whether you are religious or not! ========== In Reply To ========== As for needing to "hide the pregnancy", why should that be an issue? You reap what you sow. Just because you're 16 doesn't mean you're not accountable, and I think that's part of the reason teen pregnancy is so prevalent today. Nobody has to be accountable any more. As for illegal abortions...I have a feeling the deterrent factor would save a lot more lives than it would cost, and at least those risking their lives would be making their own bad decision, rather than simply being killed. By the way...I just read about your experiences with unwanted relations...My deepest and most heartfelt condolences.

Posted in U.S. Strikes Afghanistan! on 2002-05-24 20:19:41

If you hate America so much than why is your e-mail adress dude@aol.com? Why would someone who hates America like you even think about pretending like they had an America Online Account?

QUOTE: You tried to HELP these people??!! Does anyone remember back in 1993 when the Americans launched a completely unprovoked attack on a 'munitions factory' in Khartoum, Sudan, only for the press to reveal it was a food processing plant?

Leave it to countries like yours to mix in munitions factories with food productions equipment...

QUOTE: The leaders of your country believe they are Gods and have the right to rule this entire planet how best suits them. They should get the $%!@ out of every other country and stay where they belong. Leave us alone!

Actually, wasn't it YOUR countries that said "God hates you, God will kill you all, God will kill all unbelievers, God will destroy America, God will make believers rule all?" Sounds like to me it's YOUR nation that wants to rule the world. Now, if you want us to leave you alone, I'm sure we will. Just remember...the next earthquake that hits you country and causes massive damage, your ONLY help will say, "you wanted us to leave you alone, so you get nothing." Then I'll laugh like billions of feathers are tickling my bare feet when you say, "America doesn't care cuz they ain't givin' us money after this earthquake!" Yes, America does has its problems. But SO DOES YOUR COUNTRY. Your country wants peace, and so does mine. America will not stop stereotyping you unless you stop stereotyping us. Grow up. ========== In Reply To ========== You tried to HELP these people??!! Does anyone remember back in 1993 when the Americans launched a completely unprovoked attack on a 'munitions factory' in Khartoum, Sudan, only for the press to reveal it was a food processing plant?

Way to help America.

The leaders of your country believe they are Gods and have the right to rule this entire planet how best suits them. They should get the $%!@ out of every other country and stay where they belong. Leave us alone!

Posted in Civil Rights for Youth on 2002-05-23 23:54:24

QUOTE (modified): Justin is incorrect in saying that adults' having a greater level of intelligence is a fact. This statement is by definition, an opinion...no matter how true it seems...No real test for intelligence...

You've misunderstood me, or I said something wrong. I said MOST adults have greater intelligence because of more experience and USUALLY a higher education. As this has been proven, will continue to be proven for at least a short period of time to come. There ARE exceptions. If anything, I'd say Andrew was one of them, assuming he's really a teen (or if Andrew's a female, "she" will be the better term). Can the tides change? Can youths become more intelligent than adults? YES they can. There are even a few right now who are. But have they at this time? In most cases, the answer here is no. ========== In Reply To ========== Justin is incorrect in saying that adults' having a greater level of intelligence is a fact. This statement is, by definition, an opinion, regardless of how "true" it may seem. There is no real test for intelligence (at least in the manner that he defines it), and such a large number of statistics could not be compiled by any feasible means.

In response to Andrew, their is no such thing as a "partial antithesis", for antithesis implies complete and polar incongruity.

Posted in Civil Rights for Youth on 2002-05-22 21:37:17

QUOTE: 1. We are getting closer to a synthesis.

Indeed we are.

QUOTE: 2. Again, O' it is again, adults are not more intelligent than youths. This is because age does not determine intelligence.

Once again you are wrong around this subject. But, you ARE right about age not determining intelligence. The reasons adults ARE more intelligent than youth [most of them, at the least] is because they have more experience and usually more lessons learned. That's why they are usually more intelligent. Note that I never said just because they are over 18 that most of them are adults. Either way, the fact is still a fact.

QUOTE: (your Amish paragraphs)

Yes, it is true. They are taught well by their parents and are taught so well, they can make adult decisions before most others in the United States can. You are right that such youths can make adult decisions-it is because of the skillful knowledge and reasoning abilities of their parents.

Wow. It's hard to see that that's the only thing worth replying for--we pretty much agree on everything else. We were so busy making assumptions on each other, we failed to realize we both are shooting for one common goal--in certain areas, more privileges for Youth. At this rate, in the next four posts, we'll have nothing more to argue with except our own opinions.
========== In Reply To ========== 1. We are getting closer to a synthesis.

  1. Again, O’ it is again, adults are not more intelligent than youths. This is because age does not determine intelligence.

The most popular explanation is the degree one can think in abstract terms. This is what most intelligence tests measure. Though never, will education and age be a direct function. There is not correlation between the two.

  1. It is not necessarily true that parents are more strict in other nations. In much of Europe, young adults (those my age) often do not live in the same town as their parents, as school appointment is determined by scores on aptitude tests. While in most of Europe family is more important than it is here, we actually see less parental authority than in this nation.

  2. Of course it is almost always necessary for little children and infants to have nurturing and regulating parents, if not for anything else but to prevent a generation from being run over by cars. Though for young adults, parental advice and guidance is most likely adequate.

For example, in Amish communities, children are carefully taught how to live life well by their parents. Then when the young person reaches the age of thirteen or fourteen, all parental restrictions are completely lifted; they are treated as full members of society. This has been the case of the Amish people’s history, and we see that these young people obviously did well under this system as they have largely carried on with their way of life.

In former times, even up to the break of the last century, many young people began to live separate lives from their parents, as adults, at this age. The same is true of the ancients: the ancient Hebrews being the most well known point.

  1. Increased parental authority is not the answer. Parents should not be patronizing and terribly apologetic with children, but constructive. They must embrace the abilities of their children that they do not realise, so that they could live and make reasonable decisions in an adult world at a younger age.

  2. I, just as Justin, detest the vile term “minor.” Likewise I detest “teen,” and “teenager.” Rather, children should be called children until around the age of twelve or fifteen (according to the individual.) The remaining should be rightly called adults, albeit young adults. They are adults physically and mentally, though usually less developed in both respects. In most cultures today, this is fact.

This is a more of a question of science than politics.

  1. I do not want Justin’s “good” ideas trampled. But instead, the ones that could be found negative.

  2. Sudbury model and democratic schools seem to represent everything I advocate. Whilst they are partially the antithesis of what Justin believes. They utterly liberate young people (within proper limits) and as I predict for the complete society, they are successful. Then, why would Justin not this same system applied to society-at-large?

  3. The world is a difficult and complex place. I would not say it necessarily takes a good deal of experience to start out, however. Experience often does not teach at all; it only convinces. It is better to study the history of humanity and learn from other’s experiences. Doing that, we know we can do reasonably well in society.

Following Justin’s example of the jet aircraft, no one could ever possibly learn to fly a plane from experience. Instead they have to learn by the experience of others. This experience began with the first hot-air balloons, and has ultimately reached its current level of sophistication.