User: Suzi Cue

I'd just like to say although it's been a little while since these were posted. I don't think it's fair for you to assume that a woman who wears pants is unsubmissive or feminist.

Which I noticed was said by someone on this post. That is not true maybe you haven't gotten to know alot of them or haven't met submissive ones in particular. But you should never judge a book by it's cover.

It was also stated that no man would like it. Well many do and they shouldn't be judged or viewed as odd for it either. People are attracted to different things and people have different arrangements in thier homes. That is why before getting married a couple should talk about everything first. As the Bible says. "There is a frustruating of plans where there is no confidential talk."

To Maker of Poll,

It's been so long you probably won't see this. But in regards to the following statment:

When my wife and I entertain mixed company, we try to get one of the ladies to help my wife out serving or cleaning up. Usually, she (the guest) will end up wearing a sweet pinafore. Many times, the guest takes on a sweet radiance and the men flock to her like bees to pollen.

Are you saying that you require a woman who is not your wife to wear an apron when in your home if helping your wife?

I don't think that is right if she's married she has a husband not you. And if not you obviously aren't her husband, I would feel controlled and uncomfortable.

Also,

Susan B. Anthony a very well known leader in the feminist movement. Got involved for several reasons. One being when her father sent her to school, obviously to LEARN. The male teacher refused to teach her long division and certain other mathematics and her father had to teach her at home himself. All because she was a girl. Another reason had to do with the abuse of women and children something the Bible condemns.

I think what's turned alot of people off from the idea of the husband being the head of the house is the men and how so many of them have used it as an excuse to abuse it. I've known some that honestly don't even believe it, they just use it as an excuse to completely control, dominate, and humiliate another person. And they like getting thier way with everyone and don't want to hear any advice from anyone. And they try to use the headship thing as a mask for it and they get very obsessive and paranoid and sometimes abusive. There are men like this I've witnessed it. And obsessive control can be a sign that abuse is going on in the home and control is often used to cover it up.

Just something I've observed.

To Husband Knows Best and the others,

I second what Jennax said in another post about God being our only master. We can't put a man in his place and the Bible supports this. God always comes first.

Also there is a difference between a family head and a dictator which sadly many men have become. 150 years ago a man could beat his wife and no one could do anything about it. She'd have to take it because she was supposed to be obedient and not leave. And most wouldn't stand up and protect their children from abuse be it physical, emotional, sexual, or neglect if it was coming from their husbands. Partly because before the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children was formed back east about 130-150 yrs ago, they had no where to turn for help.

In addition there is also a difference between a submissive woman and a doormat. If you read my other post in Proverbs 31 Wife, Sarah is described as a submissive woman and so was Rebekah, but they were not afraid to take needed action or to make a statement.

Susan B. Anthony a very well known leader in the women's suffrage movement. Got involved for several reasons. One being when her father sent her to school, obviously to LEARN. The male teacher refused to teach her long division and certain other mathematics and her father had to teach her at home himself. All because she was a girl. Another reason had to do with the abuse of women and children something the Bible condemns. This was another issue later in time. Seventy years ago if the police caught a man beating his wife. They weren't supposed to get involved so they would find him alone later and beat him up to threaten him. Which was very ineffective and probably made things worse.

No two women are alike and they shouldn't have to be afraid to make their needs (including emotional) known. The scriptures In Ephesians 5:25,28, 29, 31, 33 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 and 1 Peter 3:7 should make this clear. Husbands are to demonstrate their headship the way Christ did over the congregation and he often put their needs ahead of his own and looked after them. He loved them so much that he died for them and he never misused his authority.

Also it's alot easier for a wife to respect her husband, if he makes himself someone worthy of respect. Not that she shouldn't even if he wasn't, but if you want respect badly enough, it helps to earn it.

I think what's turned alot of people off from the idea of the husband being the head of the house is the men and how so many of them have used it as an excuse to abuse it. I've known some that honestly don't even believe it, they just use it as an excuse to completely control, dominate, and humiliate another person. And they like getting their way with everyone and don't want to hear any advice from anyone. And they try to use the headship thing as a mask for it and they get very obsessive and paranoid and sometimes abusive. There are men like this I've witnessed it. And obsessive control can be a sign that abuse is going on in the home and control is often used to cover it up.

Just something I've observed so be understanding with those people.

P.S. I know this is a little late I just saw this.

I second what Jennax said about God being our only master. We can't put a man in his place and the Bible supports this. God always comes first.

Also it's been said here that the wife is less than and definately not a partner or companion but is to serve her husband as her master although not a slave. Malachi 2:14 refers to the wives as the husband's companion and the wives of their covenant . Some literal modern english translations render that phrase partner. Which is why it was treacherous for the men in that chapter to be abandoning them for younger women as earlier verses show. And treating them violently as verse 16 shows.

The definition of the word companion is as follows: One that accomanies another, comrade, associate, keeps company with another, closely connected to another.

Partner is defined similiarly: One that shares, one associated with another, especially in action, such as two people dancing together or living together as husband and wife, a partnership.

This goes along with the verses in the Bible that describe a husband 'sticking to his wife and the two becoming one flesh.'