User: crackermoon

========== In Reply To ========== I understand the reasoning behind this poll. And I apreciate it. I am a black man that exclusively dates white women.

I feel the need to clear up a few points. The two of you have typical white boy ideals about IRs. You guys are the type that would smile in my face beause you don't have the balls to tell me to my face, but when you get together say "what does she see in him"? Let me explain. Not all black men are ghetto acting, mysoganist. Not all of us have athletes and entertainers as our role models. Believe it or not some of us are college and beyond educated! I know about some of the white girls that date the stereotypical black man. They do tend to be trashy and so forth. However, speaking from personal experience, white women generally find black men more attractive and fun to be around. MOST WHITE WOMEN!!! I'm sorry to tell you. I don't care what she tells you. I don't care if she is married or involved with a white man. She probably has fantasies about wanting to be with a black man. And when a blackman like me comes along, educated, well dressed, well built and endowed, she falls like a domino. It doesn't matter if she has never wanted to date a black man. That is why guys like you cant understand what a fine asss white chick is doing with a guy like me. There are many black men like myself that can get any woman they choose no matter the race.

I'm sorry that you feel she is somehow tainted or dirty afterwards. Any woman that has been with a guy like myself, wouldn't tolerate the small mindedness you exhibit, much less a closet racsist.

Shalom,

Jubeisan, shutting down your weakasss campaingn

Jubeisan, YOU ARE SOOOOO RIGHT!! I never understood why white men felt so threatened when a white woman was ever involved with a black man. This shows their extreme insecurities at its worse. If they are going to start writing off white women because they dated black men, then they might as well write off white women completely because one thing is certain, when white men ask white women "Have you ever dating a black man before?", I can assure you she will lie and say no because she knows how white men are. I'm also willing to bet there are far more white women who dated black men than white men want to believe. They need to get a life and stop holding past actions against them. After all, they have her now, isn't that what's important? It is this kind of thinking from white men that drives white women in droves to black men. Like the black woman, white men are going to lose out if they don't change. Let this be a warning to all insecure white men out there: Change or deal with the consequences, Plain and simple. My 2 cents worth. PHIL

========== In Reply To ========== I am a 22 year old white male, I live in Southern CA. Around here I see up close how 80% of people practically idolize blacks. I think it is so rediculous that society is making it look ok for little white girls to be with a "thug" that can barely speak english. The only reason society accepts this crap is because it the media's latest(ongoing) trend and a huge money maker at that. Everywhere you look there is rap, mc donalds commercials, the Disney channel even! What the hell is next? are they going to start rapping about maxipads in order to sell their product? Most girls on here appear to only want a black guy for the experience or out of curiosity. Take it from this honest girl who wrote that last topic response, She says she got tired of the dissin, dawg, boyee, bull$%!@. The guy apparently mistreated her. I have not seen one interacial relationship involving a white girl and black guys go right. And the "black man has a bigger $%!@" crap, how the hell is one specific race going to all have a 10 inch dong? Im a white guy, mine is 8 and a half inches long, and my white girlfriend hurts after I'm done with her, are you telling me that you little white girls out there can take more than that? Let alone even want to? Its a status thing. Something to make you look cool and feel accepted. Have some self respect and stick with the over all best race. Whites. Why do you think thats the only coler man that has been president!!!??? Get a grip on yourself and lose the curiosity it'll only do you good. Take care.

Young man, let me explain something to you. As a 44 year old black man involved with a 40 year old white woman who lives here in Southern California, Orange County to be exact, your thinking and beliefs are in the minority like you wouldn't believe. If you seriously believe that white women and black men shouldn't get involved or any other type of IR relationships are going to stop, pal, you're living in the wrong place. California is the perfect example of what America as a whole will see within 10 years. Keep your eyes open, seeing is believing. IR relationships are here to stay and there's absolutely nothing no one can do to change it. Trust me on that one.

As a young man who is just 22 years old, allow me to give you some advice: The world is a very diverse place and you cannot go around trying to pretend different races don't exist or that you have a chip on your shoulder because you a problem with something you can't change. You must understand who a person chooses to date is their business. You don't have to approve of it but that's their choice, NOT YOURS!! Get yourself some education, learn about different cultures, customs etc and maybe then you'll see the light. There are many, many successful IR relationships. They're no different from any other. At any rate, get yourself educated, IT WILL DO YOU GOOD!! Just my opinion. PHIL

========== In Reply To ========== I'm glad you didn't take my post you decided to respond to as a "slam".

I am in total agreement with the comments that you made. I too have a large and diverse sense of the world, not limited by what defines black culture. If we as black people want to be competitive in any arena, be it economic, social, political etc. We need to embrace each others differences and choices we make. We ain't gonna get anywhere pumping our fist in the name of black power. While we shall never forget the horrible history of slavery, we should in a sense "get over it." Water under the bridge. The worst enemy we have today is not the white devil. It is ourselves.

Wow, all this from a poll about interracial dating. Phil just a personal question. Do you find that white women are less inhibited, and free spirited? Do you find them more open-minded to ideas? Is it physical traits, or those which I have stated that draws you to them or them to you?

Jubeisan

Hi Jubeisan, PHIL here. I agree with you what attracts me to white women. I find that they are far more receptive to things, not to mention more open-minded and free spirited. This is NOT to say black women aren't, but my experiences have been most sucessful with white women and sometimes hispanic women.

I see nothing wrong with anyone having their preferences when it comes to choosing what races of people they want to date, I think it's fantastic. What I have a problem with is people, ESPECIALLY PERFECT STRANGERS whom seem to believe it's THEIR right to tell you who you can and can't get involved with based upon their own personal prejudices. If I were to live my life based on that, I have just as well take a pencil and a piece of paper, walk up to the first stranger I see and have him or her write how they think I should live my life based on their preferences. It's no different. People really need to understand that the world doesn't operate around them. They are just a component of the world. They live, develop a set of beliefs and customs and one day will pass on. For if all they know, they beliefs will die with them. Your race is not a lifestyle choice. You are born with that. Therefore, live and let live, love who you want and just simply be happy. That being said, I'll finish with this: Interracial relationships today, tomorrow and FOREVER!!!!!!!!!! My two cents. PHIL

========== In Reply To ========== I know your comment was directed to Tayers but what exactly was the point of the research? Where were you going with that?

The only meaningful thing you said was that when these women were in their prime, they would never have considered a blackman. I'm not speaking of most black men I can only speak for myself. Most white women I have dated may have thought black men were somewhat attractive but have never dated one because of the social circle they are in. Well at any rate, your cases were extreme cases. Also, what woman do you know of that wants to go through life alone? All the beatings, addictions etc. are not limited to, or invented by black men. Any one can be a fool. There have been countless instances where a women will stay with a man that abuses her, black, white or otherwise. I'm sorry but as an educated man, I fail to see the point in your empty rhetoric. You got to come better than that.

Phil, I will say that I commend you on being honest about your woman being full figured, it sounds like a loving relationship.

The ever merciful, Jubei

Hi Jubei. First of all, I want to thank you for your comment. I read one of your posts that stated you have interests comparable to white people. Hey my friend, I know personally what you are going thru. A lot of my interests are enjoyed overwhelmingly by whites. I am by no means an Uncle Tom or out to try to impress whites. I have nothing to gain from that. I've been told as a black man that I'm too conservative, speaks too proper or just simply ain't black enough (WHATEVER THE HELL THAT MEANS!!) It amazes me non-stop to see people form opinions or decide the way you should think based on race. I have not and WILL NOT apologize for my interests or taste. It just so happens my interests clicks with whites. Take music for example, I listen most often to classic rock such as Styx, Queen, Bad company. I also like Led Zepplin which is Heavy Metal. The vast majority of my views, interests and way of life clicks with white people. I'm proud to be black and wouldn't change it for nothing in this world. But my way of life and interests are a total different story. So believe me Jubei, I understand what you're going thru. I understand why you prefer white women. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. As for black women, if they hope to catch a man worthwhile having, they for the most part are gonna have to LOSE THAT F-U-C-K-I-N-G ATTITUDE that many, but not all posess, plain and simple. With times and people changing, races coming together, I don't know why so many black women insists on being racial loyalists when there are so many different men to choose from. Many of them are going to find themselves waiting to their graves for their quote-unquote "ebony kings" to show up. IT'S NOT HAPPENING!! Black women are some of the most beautiful women in the entire world, but their attitudes kill any and all beauty they posess. It's sad but true. Maybe they will learn one day. Just my opinion. PHIL

Shapely, first of all, thank you for the compliment. I appreciate it. However, I need you to understand something: I am currently involved in an interracial relationship myself with a white female who is somewhat full-figured. Therefore, I'm by no means an opponent to such relationships. I think they are fantastic. And they will only increase in the future. I've been with her for 6 years and it's been great. We are not married and for the time being don't plan to be.

When I talked in my last post, what I failed to mention was the percentage of the 30plus, full-figured white women who felt this way. Over a period of 8 months, I had an opportunity to talk with these women involved with black men. I did this as part of a research paper I'm doing for one of my home-study classes. I'm a computer science major. Anyway, in talking to them, I concluded that 30 percent of them said they WOULD NOT have chosen a black man if a white man had wanted them, while the other 70 percent said they REALLY WANTED TO BE WITH BLACK MEN and wouldn't have it any other way. Armed with this info, I decided to focus on the 30 percent who were with black men, but didn't want to be. I asked them why did they choose such relationships if they didn't want them. The answers I got varied but one answer that was common among all was "WHITE MEN NO LONGER WANTED THEM" Many of them were, and still are very bitter about this. They said they went to black men because they felt it was a last chance to have someone in their life even though they were unhappy with them. They greatly feared growing old and alone, something they did not want to face. Therefore, they made the most of it. Many of them also said that their men were drug addicts, crackheads, spouse abusers and simply had nothing going for themselves. And to top it off, these women said when they were teenagers thru their 20s, they were at that ideal weight and size and WOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN BLACK MEN A SECOND THOUGHT. But once they approached 30plus, that all changed. This left them feeling hopeless and no future to look forward too. So their choices were simple: be with somebody who's abusive and undesirable OR grow older and alone.

I attempted to talk to the black men involved with these women but they all except for two decline to speak. The two who did talk to me was a crackhead and spouse abuser. The crackhead made his woman turn tricks to support his habit and if she didn't bring in enough money, she was in trouble. The guy who was the spouse abuser describe himself as 35 years old, 5'7 tall. His woman was 46 years old, 5'11 tall. He was bold enough to tell me about a severe beating he gave her for coming home late from a bar with friends. He told me he came home one night and she wasn't there. She didn't come home until after midnight. Needless to say, he went off and told her to get her WHITE A-S-S in the bedroom. He then told her to get naked where he handcuffed her to the bed and proceeded to beat her all over her body with a SINGLE-TAIL WHIP!! Talk about utimate abuse!! I asked this woman why did she take this? She said it was better being with somebody who abuses than to grow old and alone. I was completely floored by that statement. It blew me away.

In conclusion of my research, this has left me very very stunned on white women who take such things just because they fear being alone and growing old. I just don't understand it. Any woman that takes this need mental help very badly. At any rate, that's what I found out. Comments please. PHIL