User: BJake

True enough tralhob. I live in Scotland which has historically suffered dreadfully because of the protestand catholic divide so I'm not too sorry to see the two of them struggling.

Actually one of the most interesting Englishmen was a Sir Richard Rich who worked and held positions of power under Henry VIII when he helped put down the catholics and destroy the abbeys. Under Henry's son Edward he was Lord Chancellor and continued the anti catholic purge. Under Mary I (Bloody Mary) he took up her catholic cause and ruthlessly persued protestants and tortured them and put them to death (one protestant survivor Lady Anne wrote that he personally turned the wheel when she was on the rack). He was responsible for Elizabeth's confinement to the Tower of London. He supported Lady Jane Grey (the nine days queen) but turned on her and helped Elizabeth gain power. Under Elizabeth, although semi retired he led a committee looking into catholic traitors. Now that's what you call serving your monarch if not your country.

Actually Pope JPII visited Scotland and many catholiocs who had never seen the inside of a church turned out to meet him at Hamden Park in Glasgow. Pastor Jack Glass and Ian Paisley of the Ian Paisley Church of the Blessed Bigots (namely Pastor Jack Glass and Ian Paisley) campaigned to stop the visit and preached noisily outside against the Bishop of Rome and the Wh ore of Babylon. I thoroughly enjoyed the occasion - I went to Edinburgh Zoo (one of the best in the country and working for the restocking of near extinct species) where I got more sense out of the farting monkey and the gestculating gibbon (or was it Pastor Jack Glass and Ian Paisley?)

It depends dan. Here churches of all denominations are closing and being sold off to be turned into flats. The catholic church is in crisis because they can't recruit new people to become priests. Many monasteries have closed down. the nearest catholic church is run by three priests who should have been in a retirement home twenty years ago.

There doesn't seem to be a lot of money going the church's way.

Isn't the fact that it's actually in the bible enough of a document? Is there some reason you don't accept what's in the bible unless you get an official document from the catholic church?

The bible has incidences of "GOOD" men incestuously making their daughters pregnant - Lot for example. Does that make it acceptable? According to the bible it would appear so.

All the other things Malph posted earlier are incidences which took place in the bible. How can a catholic argue with that?

"...were not bu ggered by science"

Often certain words are edited by mister poll, some of them not as bad as buggered which I believed would be edited out if I had not spelled it that way - it was a deliberate error for the sake of accuracy however, having experimented I find I didn't need to.

" ...whose lives were turned round" what's your problem here - it's all spelled correctly and grammatically correct - do you think it should be who's which would be wrong

" ...most of the sories ...illegal to alliow such a" are typos and not typos which are repeated unlike the misspellings you regularly repeat, the most annoying of which is the incorrect use of witch.

As English is not your first language I am happy to accept your inaccuracies (except for the misuse of witch for which) but I will continue to point out the worst of them for your benefit - it's the educationalist in me.

I do not put forward my humanist beliefs in my work (actually since I'm retired now I don't put forward anything in my work because I don't work). I didn't because that would have been entirely the wrong thing to do. I always believed that we needed to work unshackled by beliefs - some people placed their beliefs before their work and were unable to work effectively.

I don't blame any god - yours, lucifer or any demon, imp, devil. My illness is hereditary. It is more advanced because of injuries I received playing rugby at a reasonably high level. It progresses slowly and the scientifically developed drugs slow its progression even more. I'm lucky that the 18th. Century freed scientists from the yoke of religious superstition which had restrained it in some fields up to then. Look at the arab world which was once the cradle of scientific and medical knowledge, once led the way in mathematics, yet is now constrained by religion. I don't worship science, I am grateful to the scientists who developed the drugs but they are not gods. I am not bitter - I loved playing rugby, my mother lived a long and happy life with the disorder only affecting her in the last 8 years of a very long life indeed.

Thank you for the information on Timor-Leste it was interesting and I always enjoy learning new things.

I have to agree with pete and tralhob and dan who, like me, in various posts in various polls have and continue to press fundies to prove their proclamations without referring to the bible. We don't accept the bible as anything other than a rather nasty fairy tale. When you make fantastic claims (and here I am using fantastic in its meaning as in fantasy and not as in wonderful) you must back them up with acceptable evidence. The bible is the source for those fantastic claims and so is not acceptable as evidence for those claims. You cannot use a source as evidence of itself.

*"10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." *SO the poor man was dragged off the streets to make up the numbers and arrived as he was. It wasn't his fault he was in his ordinary clothes. It was evil to punish him for being in his ordinary clothes. This is a parable which taints your god and one of the many which gives an evil stench to the bible. It is another of the many examples of why we detest the book and why we do not adhere to the religions it represents

Thanks Tralhob just read the article - interesting etymology