Gays-myth and reality.

That (what Malph posted earlier) is uncalled for unless you can provide us with a reasonably official looking document from the Catholic Church or another Christian Church in which this view is expressed.

Isn't the fact that it's actually in the bible enough of a document? Is there some reason you don't accept what's in the bible unless you get an official document from the catholic church?

The bible has incidences of "GOOD" men incestuously making their daughters pregnant - Lot for example. Does that make it acceptable? According to the bible it would appear so.

All the other things Malph posted earlier are incidences which took place in the bible. How can a catholic argue with that?

BJake: I have been ranting on your poll. I can write a very elongated rant if you'd like too. You should write as many polls as Blackninja133 does, then you can compete for the title of "Misterpoll Wizard".

I just got back from Mono Hot Springs. It is an amazing healing place in the Sierra Nevada mountains of California! Now, it's back to my own "multitasking".

I can't even attempt to compete with Blackninja - he creates several a day. He also gets more responses to his polls more quickly than I have to mine.

Did you notice that 4 people actually think that Hitler was carrying out god's work? What wierdos fundies are!

Hi Totoro,

Good poll. As what most people would call a straight person (the truth varies, but that's not for discussion here), I'm fully in favor of gay equal rights, same-sex marriage, same-sex couples adopting or otherwise having children, and homosexual people being true to themselves and free to be open about who they are.

Congrats on the potential marriage between you and your BF! I hope all goes well, and hope there are no more votes that result in gay marriage being banned again. I live in Michigan where a few years ago a gay marriage ban was added to the freakin' state constitution. I thought that was supposed to be there to preserve rights, not take them away.

Regarding a same-sex couple moving into the neighborhood where I live, I'd be supportive of them as long as they're good neighbors, but I live in a backwoods armpit of America where pickup trucks, firearms, and religion are in charge. My current neighbors would probably be very much bothered by a same-sex couple moving in. All my neighbors are douchebags as it is, so I'd much much rather have good neighbors who are gay than straight douchebags next door. In my old neighborhood where my parents live, I would guess that most would be indifferent about a same-sex couple moving in. I figure who cares, and live and let live.

I was raised catholic and made to go to church every week whether I liked it or not. When I was young I believed that crap but later in life wanted nothing to do with it, and quit the religion entirely when I was around 17. I was also somewhat homophobic, although I don't think it's really related to the religion because I don't remember anything specific said about it all through catholic school. One day when driving home from a college class (I think when I was around 23 or 24) something clicked in my mind: homosexuality is no different than heterosexuality because it is all about love. An individual isn't in love with what's between the other person's legs, they're in love with the person. That the other person just happens to be the same sex is a minor detail. I don't know what caused my mind to click that way but I'm glad it did. I'd much rather be tolerant and supportive.

My uncle is gay and has been with his partner for probably 25 years. They have some good friends that live around here who are also friends with the rest of the family, and that couple has been together for over 30 years. If commitment like that doesn't deserve marriage, I don't know what does. Compare that to my two sides of the family: on my mom's side of the family (6 total siblings) there are 4 divorces, the remaining two being my mom and my gay uncle. On my dad's side (6 total siblings) there are 2 divorces, 3 lasting marriages, and one never-married. Of all the people I know or am friends with, most come from divorced families. Gay couples who have been together for decades certainly deserve to marry; they've more than proven their commitment (not that a decades-long relationship should be a requirement before marriage is allowed).

Before I forget to mention, I've been reading and tracking the pro- and anti-gay sides of the issue in the news for years now. One thing that never fails (and never fails to pïss me off) is that when somebody makes an argument against homosexuality, particularly on a religious basis, there is absolutely no logical sense or rational thinking in their arguments. They hold up myths and false premises (and bible quotes) as absolute truth even when the argument can easily be debated and proven to be a logically invalid argument.

One thing that can help open a person's eyes is to be in an environment where gay/lesbian couples are freely open to be themselves. Last month I went to Anthrocon in Pittsburgh (www.anthrocon.org), which has a characteristic of being very tolerant to various lifestyles and sexualities. I saw many different gay couples together (strangely, I didn't notice any lesbian couples but I'm sure there were some there), and they were just like any other couple. They'd hug, share a kiss, put an arm around the other or head on the other's shoulder during a show, etc., and to me it was all very sweet. They were two people in love no different than any other straight couple there. With all the hate and violence in the world, even in just this country, why the hell should anybody object to any form of love such as this?

Good poll, BTW, regardless of any bias.

Skyfox