Gays-myth and reality.

Hi Malph: I liked your response to Graggards poll "On Homosexuality". It's too bad he deleted it, just like he deleted all of my responses (which were argumentitive but definitely not childish or trollish). It seems like there are alot more cool straight people like you out there than in the 80's when I "came out" in high school-that was a bit challenging on several levels. Are you going to make any more polls? Just curious.

Yes Malph in some ways you are right. Some christians really seem to have it out for certian groups: homosexuals, abortionists, ect.

But not all Christians.

The only requirment to go to heaven is to believe in Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour, and confess it with your mouth. This includes believing he has forgiven all of your sins.

That's it.

I don't see in there, at all that if you are gay you should become straight, or that you should change yourself in any way before becoming a Christian.

My cousin who is gay asked me if he could be a Christian.

I said "ya why not?"

He said "I'm gay you know"

So?

I've done alot of thinking about my answer since then, and I still believe it 100%.

I'm sorry that gay people have been treeted so horribly by people who say they are Christians. It's aweful, and it is not, definitly not God's will.

In fact they are the sinners, not gays, when they act like that.

Thixia

PS - Did you take the id "malph" off of Happy Days?

Thixia:

You're right. Not all Christians are closed minded at all. I'm not Christian myself, but in general I like what Jesus stood for. Since I don't believe in his divinity, or much of the Bible for that matter, I can't be a Christian though. I do think it's funny that some of the more closed minded Christians obsess over a few quotes that may apply to homosexuality in Leviticus, ect, but ignore prohibitions against eating shellfish and others in the same book.

There are parts of the Bible that I have major disagreements with, but Jesus seemed to preach a message of love and tolerance overall, and I respect Christians who focus on that. Again, very thoughtful posts.

I do have major problems with Christians who use the Bible to justify hate and bigotry, but am mature enough to know that not all Christians do that. After all, some of my family and friends are Christian and they all fully accept the fact that I am gay. I'm just upset about the fact that there are still many gay people in the world that go through HELL, often due to people who use religion as a justification for it.

Totoro:

Thank you for your responce and recognizing that not all Christians are like that.

It bothers me too. How can somebody who says they belive in Jesus and all that he teachers, so obviously hate others?

You are right it: Some Christians do obess over a few verses, and make a huge deal out of them. Yet they ignore other verses. It's not just homosexuality. It's spanking for instance. So many Christians say "spare the rod spoil the child", and then use that to ingore countless other verses on mercy, love, and forgiveness. It baffles me.

Sometimes I wish they would take a page from the Big Book (From AA), and say "Life and Let Life", or "You do your program and I'll do mine" or in other words "Mind your own business".

It comes down to this: Not everybody who says they are a Christian and thinks they are going to heaven will go to heaven. Jesus will say to some of them "get away from me I never knew you". Christians should really ask themselfs "Am I what God wants me to be". "Am I loveing" "Am I a Christian", instead of taking everybody elses inventory they should do their own.

If it really doesn't affect you, don't worry about it.

I know that some Christians think that what they are doing is evangelism, but how can you possibly think that evangelism that scares everybody in a 10 mile radius away from you, is at all effective?

Ironically, alot of evangelicals turn more people away from Christianity than attract people to it. I like the idea of "do onto others as you would have them do unto you". I find it a great universal truth despite ones belief system or lack thereof.