Religion

owm sez:

"The Israelite’s neighbours were astoundingly immoral people and were extremely hostile to the Israelite religion and culture, there was NO WAY Israel could allow the native civilisation to assimilate into their culture, the Idolatry and immoral customs would TOTALLY erode Israel, and they came close many times. So the only way for Israel to successfully take hold and keep the land was to destroy the ‘native’ civilization which was rotten to the core anyway."

This is his defense of the Israelites wiping a people off the face of the earth; every last man, woman and child. Cultural purity.

Note the scare quotes around the word native. What's that supposed to mean?

And this right after he screams about how evolution promotes genocide. (Why do I picture owm screaming everything he says?) Even though genoicde, according to him, ain't that bad.

Anyway...I think it speaks for itself.

It does speak for itself and is the attitude that led to the witch hunts, the inquisition, and the genocides of the indigenous people of the new world and others. I like to call it "selective morality" which is VERY common among bible-thumpers. Has genocide been justified by the Bible? You bet!

Tralhob,

Why do you insist on such childish tactics of changing the question EVERY TIME I corner you, instead of admitting that you are wrong? I prove that there is no basis in Christianity for Hitler’s actions, and you change your question; I prove that the various laws of the Old Testament (OT) are over turned by the NT, and you try to change the subject; I show that ‘weak’ and ‘strong’ are entirely relevant to evolution, and you try to change the subject, and the list goes on. Why do this? It’s quite obvious what you are doing.

Why shouldn’t I “boo-hoo” about you trying to erroneously blame Christianity for Hitler’s actions? I will always attack what I feel as fallacious slandering.

If you want to see copious amounts of evidence for Hitler’s belief of evolution then have a read of: “From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany” by Richard Weikart.

While Jesus did overwrite many laws of the OT, He also endorsed many, and the illegality of homosexuality was one.

“The Bible does not endorse eugenics, but…..it is permissible to wipe out an entire race, babies and all.”

What Hitler did was genocide because he wished to kill all the people of one race from all around the world. The events in the Bible are NOT genocide because they only killed the people that were in the land that they were to possess, they DID NOT wish to kill ALL the people of a race, just SOME, this is the distinction between Hitler and Biblical history.

TOWM:“"Eugenics has NO BASIS without evolution"”

Tralhob:“That's incorrect. The basic ideas behind eugenics have been around since way before Darwin and/or evolution.”

You do realise that the theory of evolution was around for thousands of years BEFORE Darwin? And that Plato himself believed in evolution? So Plato’s belief in eugenics was founded apon evolution, the two ideas are inherently entwined. http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/additional/ancientlandmarks/Plato.html

“And again, there is no such thing as absolute improvement.”

Who said there was?

“What you said actually sums evolution up quite well. The thing is though, there is no absolute "strong" or "weak."”

Again, who said there was? This is the perfect example of your repeated backpedalling, you previously stated that ‘weak’ and ‘strong’ have no relation to evolution, and now that you realize that you are wrong you try to change your challenge.

“Even if you are right that natural selection is no longer working…..There is no imperative to subject ourselves to natural selection, or any natural process, if we can avoid it.”

Well there is if we want to evolve. Sure, technology can shield us from environmental change which eliminates the NEED to for us to evolve, but it has to shield us because we aren’t changing (evolving). The point is that without any major selection in our species than we can’t evolve, at least you seem to give this fact some credence, even if you don’t like it.

“Phylogenetically speaking, you are debating a bacteria right now, as am I! Yeah, we're smarter, we're more complex, we've got space programs, etc...who do you expect to be around in 50 million years time? ” Again you try to change to the subject. The fact is that we obviously are far more complex and advanced than bacteria. For one, humans can adapt and relocate to a vast variety of environments, bacteria can’t. And even if our whole planet becomes uninhabitable, it is quite likely that within a short time (100 years or so) we could relocate to another, obviously bacteria can’t.

“Okay, how could Hitler have possibly known what kinds of potential traits he was destroying in the ovens and gas chambers?”

Hitler didn’t NEED to be aware of individual traits. The point is that Hitler BELIEVED the Jews and blacks we inferior (for whatever reason), thus eliminating them made the human race stronger, or so he believed. But even ignoring these two groups, the mentally and physically disabled are groups that Hitler targeted which obviously have negative traits.

“You believe that an entire race of people can be a threat that needs to be completely wiped out.”

NO!!! As I stated in an above paragraph, not only is this entirely offensive, IT IS ENTIRELY FALLACIOUS. Entire races WERE NOT targeted by the Israelites, only geographic locations. No wonder you think how you do about the Bible and God, it’s because it’s all WRONG!!!

Btw, I'm not screaming when I use capital letters, I just use them for emphasizing particular words

Bjake,

“He can't use the old teatament to justify something and then say but jesus changes that to justify something else. Either it's ther word of an infallible god or it isn't. Either it's all correct or it isn't. Jesus coming along to fine tune it points to a fallible god.”

So you believe that homosexuality should still be outlawed then? Because even modern laws that replaces older ones, like the modern legalization of homosexuality! It’s not that the older laws were wrong, just that the new ones reflect the requirements of a different time and civilization. So if you have a problem with God altering His laws for a different time and civilization, then you must have a big problem with the justice system today.

A nation's laws are made by humans and can be wrong and therefore corrected. Human beings don't claim to be infallible. The laws against homosexuality were wrong and now a more enlightened goverment has put them right.

Your god is supposed to be infallible. If he is he makes no mistakes and needs no adjustment. If your god set down laws they should be good for today as well as when he set them down. God's people follow gods laws. He doesn't need to worry about what is good now or not - he sets the law. His people follow. The fact he got it wrong means he's not infallible. He just isn't - as in he's not real. The only way laws can be made to fit the ways of the people at the time is if the people make the laws. Ergo, the people made up the laws and said it was god. It is really quite easy to follow.

Try to keep up you're getting a bit desperate now.